Americani e la percezione del bjj [2015]

I deficenti sono una categoria trasversale. esistono in ogni campo immaginabile

Ah ma lo sapete che adesso per regolamento non ci si può più sedere o chiamar guardia? 

saranno le emorroidi

(avevo sbagliato gif)

Due scambi interessanti estratti da una discussione dispersiva.
Anche questi non sono esempi di professoroni ma imho sono interessanti per la percezione, la discussione avviene tutta tra praticanti di sport da combattimento, tutti lottatori. (per contestualizzare la critica:quello che  mette il video non e' un kungfungaro coi colpi letali, e' un lottatore che dice essenzialmente che non hanno esclusive e son troppo rapidi a chiamare bjj tutta la lotta)

Utente1)
blablablaba...... "Should I post the two hour long video compilation of bjj and other grappler winning street fights or are we past this point yet?"

Utente2)
I really resent how any time you dickriders see someone win a fight by wrestling you immediately claim bjj supremacy, even though 99% of the time it was just a doofus thrashing around and accidentally wrestling his way to victory
>vale tudo
oh wow, how incredible, a brazilian sport full of brazilian fighters in brazil saw a lot of brazilian jiujitsu getting used. Imagine that
>mma
took a back seat to wrestling the literal moment gis were banned

check out this sweet bjj bro, seriously a textbook back take he immediately follows up with a takedown, then watch as he seamlessly slips into side control and finishes with a choke



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Utente3)
and wrestling isn't seeing a decline in MMA, grappling all together is. If anything BJJ is seeing the steep decline in usage when compared to wrestling which is what your champions are doing now
I don't think there are any sitting champions that are bjj fighters, it's all strikers with a few wrestlers mixed in

-diversi post dopo-

Stipe Miocic, wrestler
Daniel Cormier, wrestler
Michael Bisping, striker
Tyron Woodley, wrestler
Conor McGregor, striker
Max Holloway Striker
Cody Garbrandt, striker
Demetrious Johnson, wrestler

the best case you have is aldo who isn't even active right now, he does do jiujitsu but has only won 1 fight by submission and the vast majority has come from knock outs from his striking
and nunes who is in the same boat, she's a dumb brawler that nobody ever sees grapple, but she's off set by johanna who we obviously know is a striking expert, and holly holm who is also a striking expert






Utente4)
you probably don't do bjj which is why you might not realize this but;

It's supplementary training at this point for a lot of top mma fighters because they already took the 8-10+ years to get really good at grappling.

If you're starting from square one it certainly wouldn't be supplementary training, you'd be getting submitted every fight or taken down and beaten up if you didn't know what you're doing on the ground.

Also it's WAY easier to not get choked or submitted than it is to do the submission on someone else. Defense in grappling is much easier than offence for the most part. So once you know your opponent can't submit you, and you know you're not going to take him down and try to submit him.. there's no reason to focus too much on the ground game.

but calling it "supplementary training" isn't taking into account the years and endless hours they spent learning it before they became professional fighters.








Utente ganzo che deve essersi letto tutto il pippone come me)
"Grapplers are drama queens, shocking"

Qui invece una riflessione sull'appetibilità per il grande pubblico,parte dal fatto che quasi tutti possono capire una sub,meno le finezze tattiche dei vantaggi o le battaglie per i punti, cosi' riflette se siano meglio i submission only o o meno.

But does the submission only format make the game more interesting? The data seems to convincingly suggest otherwise, with competitions such as the IBJJF World Championship (biggest gi tournament in the world) and the ADCC (biggest no gi competition in the world) scoring higher submission rates, when comparing to Metamoris' submission only:


2015 IBJJF World Championship black belt men's division: 42% submission rate
2013 ADCC men's finals: 44%
Metamoris (all superfight events): 26%
To further illustrate this idea, the point system naturally makes competitors fight for positioning, which in return causes openings turning a match into a battle, and less of a game. Many of the submissions taking place in sport jiu jitsu are consequences of openings occurred when trying to defend a point being scored, especially at the highest level (i.e. Rafael Mendes armbar win over Cobrinha while he defended his guard from being passed at the final of the 2012 Pan American Championship, or Bruno Malfacine submitting Caio Terra at this year's Pan Ams).

Although the point system has somewhat of an upper hand over the submission only philosophy in terms of stats and general thought process, there is also the reverse side of the coin, where some fighters opt to fight for the initial points, or worst - advantages, and grind (or outright stall) for the duration of the match. This is often stated as one of the main reasons why the "Keep It Playful" BJJ movement, created by Ryron Gracie, has found a home in the submission only format.