Radiografia sullo stile di Machida

Questo topic ovviamente è ispirato a quello visto nel FAM, anche se lo scopo è diverso.
Ovviamente è interessante per un karateka vedere come viene portata la sua disciplina nelle MMA, ma a me è piaciuto leggere l'articolo anche sotto l'aspetto del puro Karate.
Machida secondo me è uno dei più grandi karateka di tutti i tempi e merita il posto d'onore vicino ai nomi che hanno fatto la storia di questo stile. No, non penso di esagerare
Per questo motivo penso che anche chi è interessato al solo Karate può trarre notevoli spunti da questa accurata analisi dello stile del nippo-brasiliano che merita il suo spazio nella sezione di Ar.Ma.

Soprattutto mi sembra un eccezionale bigino di tutte le caratteristiche di cui lo Shotokan fa la sua forza, e di alcuni suggerimenti (molto assennati a mio avviso) per allenarle.

Improve Your MMA Training With Lyoto Machida’s Shotokan Karate Techniques and Tactics

At the Ultimate Fighting Championship 129, shotokan karate stylist Lyoto Machida knocked out UFC Hall of Fame member Randy Couture with a front kick to the head. (If you’ve seen The Karate Kid, picture Daniel’s signature crane kick.) Lyoto Machida’s figured out how to make traditional karate work in the octagon, and with our help, you’ll be able to incorporate his tactics and shotokan techniques into your traditional or mixed-martial arts training.
Lyoto Machida’s Footwork

Observation: Lyoto Machida’s footwork gives him the ability to control distance, says Lito Angeles, author of Fight Night! The Thinking Fan’s Guide to Mixed Martial Arts. “He can keep a certain distance between himself and his opponents so they can’t even touch him.”

Explanation: “His footwork comes from shotokan karate—his father is a shotokan master,” Lito Angeles says. “He stays back from his opponent, and once he attacks, he maneuvers away before the other guy can counter.”

Action: Start your sparring sessions a safe distance away from your opponent. Practice darting in, attacking and moving back before he can counter. Focus on speed and accuracy rather than power.
Lyoto Machida’s Lateral Movement

Observation: “If you watch his UFC 84 bout with Tito Ortiz—or basically any of his fights—you’ll see that his opponents can’t get a bead on him because he’s always moving,” Lito Angeles says. “When he retreats after an attack, he uses lateral movement to avoid getting hit.”

Explanation: It’s another shotokan forte. Practitioners of the Japanese martial art know that when they constantly move side to side, they can dictate the action. “They make their opponent follow them around, and then when they’re ready, they suck him in and—boom!—they attack,” Lito Angeles says. “Then they’re out [of range] again.”

Action: “If you’re not a shotokan stylist and want to develop that kind of lateral mobility, watch videos of Machida’s fights,” Lito Angeles says. “However, the ability may be innate. It’s not like other UFC fighters don’t know what he’s doing; they just can’t do the same thing as well as he does. To some degree, though, the skill can be developed through training.”

In sparring, work on making your attack path shaped like a T, Lito Angeles says. Scoot forward, strike, then scoot part way back before angling off to either side.
Lyoto Machida’s Evasion Skills

Observation: Lyoto Machida absorbs very little punishment in his matches.

Explanation: According to FightMetric.com, he’s No. 2 on the list of MMA athletes who get hit the fewest times per minute in the ring. (Fedor Emelianenko is No. 1 and Anderson Silva is No. 3, in case you’re wondering.) “It’s the footwork and distancing factors,” Lito Angeles says. “Machida is very elusive; he’s an in-and-out fighter.”

Action: Remember those old-time instructors who would tell their students they have to learn how to take a punch? Forget them. It’s better not to get hit. Work on your distancing and maneuverability, as well as your bobbing and weaving for when things get a little too close for comfort.
Lyoto Machida’s Grappling Skills

Observation: “Machida is a seasoned grappler. He received his black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu in 2007. However, he doesn’t choose to focus on ground skills in the octagon,” Lito Angeles says.

Explanation: “He uses grappling as a support system,” he says. “Like other mixed martial artists, he trains in all the disciplines to empower his brand of fighting, which is stand-up.”

Action: Be like Lyoto Machida and take up Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Don’t forget to work on your clinch-fighting skills. Then you’ll know that if you lock up with your opponent and go to the ground, you’ll be OK.

“Even if you don’t like grappling, learn enough to thwart takedown attempts—which is what Machida does,” Lito Angeles says. “Also learn how to get back up quickly if you are taken down. And if you get stuck on the ground, be able to defend against the most common submissions until you can get up. You don’t have to focus on submissions—I don’t recall any fights in which Machida [used one to win]—but you need to be able to stop them.”
Lyoto Machida’s Counterfighting Skills

Observation: Lyoto Machida is a consummate counterfighter.

Explanation: “He obviously has the patience to wait for his opponent to make the first move,” Lito Angeles says. “That makes him very hard to beat unless his opponent has the patience to out-wait him. He makes you fight according to his rhythm, and once you do, he pulls you in.”

Action: When you spar, work on the patient approach. Don’t jump in and attack. Wait for or encourage your opponent to leave you an opening, then exploit it.
Lyoto Machida’s Quick Strikes

Observation: Lyoto Machida seems to be able to read his opponents’ intentions and often uses a quick strike to stop them from finishing their attack.

Explanation: It’s one of the benefits of having a background in a traditional martial art. You learn about telegraphing—both how to take advantage of your opponent when he does it and how to avoid doing it yourself.

Action: Study Bruce Lee’s fighting methods along with shotokan. “Jeet kune do teaches you to attack your opponent before he can complete his attack,” Lito Angeles says. “That’s why it’s called the ‘way of the intercepting fist.’ ”
Lyoto Machida’s Timing

Observation: “Machida’s timing is impeccable,” Lito Angeles says. “When he decides to attack, he makes every shot count. He’s a very efficient fighter.”

Explanation: The champ knows that taking a few shots is a great way to save energy without sacrificing effectiveness—as long as you land them.

Action: Even if you’re not one of the most powerful strikers out there, you can enhance your effectiveness by utilizing the principle of addition of velocities, Lito Angeles says. “When two cars meet head-on, their speeds are added together. That’s why Machida tries to time his techniques to catch his opponents while they’re coming in—it makes the impact more powerful.”

To apply that concept to your martial arts training, you’ll need a partner who likes to go on the offensive. Play the counterfighter against him and concentrate on your timing. A great place to do that is at your local point tournament, Lito Angeles says. “If nothing else, point karate teaches you timing.”
Lyoto Machida’s Boxing Strikes

Observation: Lyoto Machida likes to use straight shots.

Explanation: “He knows that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and he uses that,” Lito Angeles says. “That’s not to say he doesn’t do anything else; it just seems to be his main thing. Note that the straight punches he uses are more boxing than shotokan.”

Action: “In sparring, move in and out and from side to side, and when your opponent follows you, blast him right down the middle with a straight shot,” Lito Angeles says.
Lyoto Machida’s Shotokan Stance

Observation: When Lyoto Machida is far from his foe, he tends to hold his front hand at shoulder level and away from his body instead of near his chin, where most fighters keep theirs.

Explanation: “Sticking his front hand out like that may be from his shotokan background, or it may be his way of lulling his opponent into thinking there’s an opening,” Lito Angeles says. “It could be both. In either case, he uses it as a feeler or a range finder.”

Action: If you really want to experiment with an extended lead hand, make sure you have the requisite speed and timing to nail your opponent when he comes in for what he thinks is the kill. “But I don’t recommend trying it in a fight,” Lito Angeles says. “Machida makes it work because he’s been doing it since he was a kid.”
Lyoto Machida’s Foot Sweeps

Observation: Lyoto Machida loves the foot sweep.

Explanation: “It’s another trademark of shotokan,” Lito Angeles says. “If your timing is right, it can work. If not, it can still off-balance your opponent for a moment, giving you a chance to hit him.”

Part of the reason the foot sweep is effective is almost no one uses it in MMA, Lito Angeles adds. That means few fighters are prepared to defend against it.

Action: Get thee to a shotokan tournament. It’s a great place to hone your foot sweeps against a live opponent.
Lyoto Machida’s Round Kicks

Observation: Lyoto Machida favors the round kick.

Explanation: “Shotokan is all about basic techniques—the round kick, front kick, reverse punch and foot sweep,” Lito Angeles says. “When shotokan practitioners fight, those are the techniques you see the most.

“He often uses the kick to set up punches. He doesn’t step in to deliver his round kick like Thai boxers do; instead, he flicks it out from wherever he is. It’s not as powerful, but it creates an opening for him to lunge in.”

Action: Head to the dojo and spend time kicking the heavy bag, then polish your technique on a sparring partner. When you’ve got it down pat, use it in combinations.
Lyoto Machida’s Fight Plan

Observation: “Some people have criticized Lyoto Machida for not being exciting to watch,” Lito Angeles says, “but he’s got a formula that works for him.”

Explanation: “There are still questions about how good he is on the ground, whether he has a chin and if he’s good in the clinch,” he says, “but his skills are such that he doesn’t let his opponents get him in positions that would reveal any weaknesses.”

Action: Vow never to fight your opponent’s fight. Do whatever it takes to make him fight yours.

Ci sarebbero molti punti da mettere in rilievo...

Qui l'articolo originale.

Peccato cheé in inglese e non riesco a leggerlo.

Bel thread: appena ho una decina di minuti filati di tempo leggo l'intervista!

Ryujin è inutile che cerchi un'altra via di spiegazione.

Machida fa jkd. Fattene una ragione e chiudiamo qui sto 3D. 

Peccato cheé in inglese e non riesco a leggerlo.

Se hai la pazienza di aspettare dopo giovedì la traduco con piacere

Quote from: lucal on November 28, 2011, 12:21:41 pm

Peccato cheé in inglese e non riesco a leggerlo.

Se hai la pazienza di aspettare dopo giovedì la traduco con piacere

Grazie.Certo che aspetto.Ti devo una bevuta.

Ottima intervista.

Contiene molti spunti interessanti.

Grazie Ryujin ! 

Grazie Davide, sarebbe molto utile

Ryujin è inutile che cerchi un'altra via di spiegazione.

Machida fa jkd. Fattene una ragione e chiudiamo qui sto 3D. 

Figuratevi ragazzi, è un piacere, poi mi diverto a tradurre cose studiando lingue ^^'

Non lo faccio prima perché giovedì ho una prova intercorso e sono alquanto concentrato sulla filologia giapponese 

Take your time

Magari rimando qualche approfondimento a dopo che avrai finito, in modo che l'argomento sia più potabile.

 letta è interessante, ma a me pare che le caratteristiche che machida usi, più che dallo shotokan vengano dal karate point in toto, nel'articolo, infatti parla molto di spostamenti per tenere la distanza e le uscite laterali per non farsi colpire e del timing sia per nn farsi colpire che per entrare con il counterstrike che sono tutte caratteristiche sviluppate nel karate point ( Aghayev docet)  ed anche l'uso di pugni diretti-mawashi-mae geri-spazzata  sono pugni che vengono maggiormente usati da chi fa point più che da chi fa shotokan che ha un repertorio molto più vario.

Sono d'accordo che molte abilità di cui Machida ha fatto il suo punto di forza derivano dall'allenamento al shobu ippon kumite. Proprio per questo motivo ho rivalutato moltissimo questo tipo di confronto che avevo precedentemente snobbato.
Lo shobu ippon kumite è da sempre stato il metodo di confronto dello Shotokan (ikken hissatsu, provenienza dal Kenjutsu), quindi non riesco a vederlo come una cosa slegata.

Parliamo di estremi: da un lato c'è chi si disinteressa del contatto e pensa solo ai punti (cosa che merita il massimo rispetto e che non implica che poi non possa menare veramente), dall'altro c'è chi preferisce buttarsi nei bunkai dei kata.

Ma c'è una realtà nel mezzo, infatti anche nei tornei di shobu ippon, Machida è mobile ma non saltellante. Dunque non c'è O point O contatto, come molti ritengono, ma è possibile integrare le metodologie e portare certe caratteristiche del point al contact con successo.
L'importante, almeno per chi non è interessato al punto e stop, è considerare lo shobu ippon come un mezzo e non come fine.

Chiedo scusa se ultimamente sono un po' latitante, di discussioni interessanti come questa ce ne sono, di tempo per metterci testa da parte mia purtroppo no.  :'(

Però vi seguo con interesse.......

PS-Non so come mai ma mi è venuto in mente questo video lampo di un ragazzino che mi avevano fatto vedere un paio di mesi fa...

Fastest Ippon Ever!

Visto com'è soddisfatto l'arbitro ? 

 

Shurei sa che ho apprezzato moltissimo ! 

Bello Shurei
Già che siamo in tema ripropongo un bel video che ho pescato in Multimedia e che direi c'entra parecchio...

Lyota Machida MAIA Supershow Takedowns

Un ashi barai da manuale.